quick comment: im feeling like the biggest nerd in the world because I thought the second model at the live model drawing group i’m part of looked SO MUCH like Aredhel for some reason ahahahaha now i’m adding long black hair to my favorite sketches U‿U
Seriously, the amount of sheer jealousy between Túrin’s men… Andróg, Mîm, Beleg - one would have to be blind not to see the tension there. It’s the kind of wild, passionate jealousy that drives people to murder. You’re right it’s almost nonexistent in Doriath though! I hadn’t thought of it before, but it makes sense. Either people are drawn towards him elsewhere because of the curse, which cannot enter Doriath, or Morgoth (or the shadow of his curse) wants to get Túrin asap out of Doriath, where Melian’s Girdle offers him about the most protection he can get anywhere. Anyway, the idea of the curse effectively making everybody like Túrin is incredibly funny. :D
I wouldn’t put it past Mîm to convince Túrin to despise the elves (he must certainly have tried), but it’s also a very realistic description of a proud person setting their resolve and steeling themselves against a difficult situation. Still, with Túrin we can never know how much eventually comes down to the curse.
I can’t remember about Doriath, but the elves indeed hunted the Petty-dwarves almost to extinction:
The Eldar did not at first recognize these as Incarnates, for they seldom caught sight of them in clear light. (…) The Eldar therefore thought that they were a kind of cunning two-legged animals living in caves (…) and they hunted them. But after the Eldar had made the aquaintance of the Naugrim, [they] were recognized as a variety of Dwarves and were left alone. There were then few of them surviving.
J.R.R. Tolkien, The War of the Jewels, Quendi and Eldar, Appendix B. Elvish Names for the Dwarves.
So yeah, it’s pretty obvious Mîm hated the elves with all his heart. Still, he hated Beleg even more because of how fond Túrin was of him.
AAH THANK YOU for providing the canon source for that!
(OMG can you believe elves almost destroyed a whole race and - well, this is obviously not hunting for food or for sport, just for killing… sounds sketchy, idk, oh, ok, this is awful…)
I do feel terribly sorry for Mîm though - his kin is ended, he just lost a son and now has to foster the murderer, and then things were finally getting better once he and Túrin became -well, its weird to use the word “friends” here, but that’s what happens, right? They actually like each other, make each other company and tell each other stories, respect each other, etc. - then, Beleg arrives and “steals” Túrin’s affection. And Andróg is so funny actually - he’s in the middle, because Túrin never really sees him as a friend at all, but its soo obvious he wants Túrin to be exclusive, **THEIR LEADER**, **HUMANS ONLY** **NO ELVES OR PETTY-DWARVES ALLOWED** hahahaahahhahah omg I actually like him a lot… and by the end he becomes “team Beleg” - I was tempted for a time to try and interpret this as some sort of redemption arc, but really, not even I can manage to whitewash Andróg that much ahahha… and Mîm omfg sells his house for the slaughter but actually bargains for Túrin’s life? Like did he think Túrin would shrug at his men’s deaths and just live with him forever? Omg no Mîm I feel sorry for him :(((
But yes, I do agree. Túrin’s pride in his younger years is sufficient to make him not want to go back - but after meeting Mîm and hearing the tales, maybe that helps cementing his resolve? I’m sure Mîm told him many tales about elves, and was very frustrated when Túrin welcomed Beleg with arms wide open.
But I do think so! Because people are not really in love with Túrin - rather, they gravitate towards him, you know? Nargothrond, Brethil, the Outlaws, and even the people who join his outburtst in Dor-Lomin… the people who both know Túrin as a person and love him for who he is can be counted on fingers, don’t you think? And even those sometimes seem not to have a choice in loving him. Gwindor for example, all but hates Túrin near the end, but his last words still speak of love? Brandir seems to be the only exception outside of Doriath who feels nothing but contempt for Túrin - which is funny since Túrin treats him with a lot of consideration (not counting his death ofc)
I thought about Doriath because how crazy is it that Túrin only makes two friends there -Beleg and Nellas - and manages to forget about one of them. There’s Mablung who claims to love Túrin as well - and he is also a Marchwarden… So all of them are not in the heart of Melian’s power, but rather in the forests and borderlands, whcih makes that interpretation plausible still?
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eldochflamma replied to your post: HEY SO I LOVE Turgon - cue me asking for him in…
Ohh this is good, I can totally see that. I always felt like Elenwe’s death hit Turgon very hard and he tried to find the most secure place for his daughter. Maybe Elenwe accompanied him against his wish and died and he never quite forgave himself.
gwenniel replied to your post: HEY SO I LOVE Turgon - cue me asking for him in…
Very believable. Though I personally see it as less anti-feministic and just more (over?)protective. But can’t blame him for just looking at Aredhel and Idril all worriedly and just thinking “I will never forgive myself if something happens to them” …considering last time when he was unable to protect Elenwë.
itsnotwise replied to your post: HEY SO I LOVE Turgon - cue me asking for him in…
Hmmm I see Turgon as somebody who is pretty rigid in sticking to the rules (he’s not that progressive), and the elves seems to only pass their kingship to male heir so I think that’s why he see more in Maeglin than Idril :/ also agree with gwenniel
Its just that I see it happening to the women and not to the men - though his offer to Maeglin stay behind instead of going to war might be seen as him trying to protect him as well, but he does canonically offers him the choice, which doesn’t seem to happen to Idril (or to Aredhel for that matter, since she makes direct use of her own authority to leave Gondolin… meaning, this dialogue always strikes me as Turgon telling her to stay behind rather than asking, a small difference, but would make a lot more sense for her to snap and tell him she’s not his servant) ? Which is what made me think of that in the first place…
Though yeah, still, this is something that could be explained in a thousand different ways! I particularly just like the version where he thinks women are to be protected by men (especially as the women he loves the most keep dying around him without him being able to protect them), and I do think, like you guys said, I think this comes out of the best intentions, rather from valuing too much than heeding too little (though denying them a bit of agency nonetheless? idk)
HEY SO I LOVE Turgon - cue me asking for him in text memes and fanfic memes - but I do have a headcanon of him as a bit of an anti-feminist after the Ice? Let me explain its nothing very ugly
This is mostly because of the whole Idril-Maeglin situation: Idril is his firstborn, is very old and wise and has always been by his side. Still, when Maeglin arrives, it is plain to see Turgon starts grooming him to become his heir. It is to him that Turgon offers the regency during the Unnumbered ** and when Tuor arrives in Gondolin, he is seated at his right with Idril on his left?
Though obviously there are many other possible explanations for this - maybe he tried to groom Idril but she herself didn’t want to be a ruler, or something… my own headcanon is that after Elenwe’s death he became ever more protective of the women around him, in a way that does deny them a bit of agency? I also back this up usually with Aradhel’s speech - It might just be a one-time expression, the “I’mnot your servant” thing, but it could also be a callback to a situation that has been repeating itself of Turgon trying to be more controlling of his sister’s life in the later years while at the same time she’s growing more and more restless…
(** Also, as I usually prefer to see Maeglin as a very conflicted person than as an all out evil plotting cliche villain, I like to think he was very aware that it did not please Idril just how fast her father put him in such a powerful position in (unintentional) detriment of her, and I think being both Aredhel’s and Eol’s son he must have some complicated and often conflicting ideas regarding feminism?)
Unknown Sample: squirrelwrangler replied to your post: Some random headcanons for the…
It’s several scenes that have femented in my brain for years, in part from reading about all the fics that feature Aegnor/Andreth (tragic OTP). I do have Beren much younger- a teen that stays with Emeldir and defends the homestead so to speak during the Bragollach.
Roughly they go like this-
Some random headcanons for the House of Beor aw yeah
- Bregolas (Barahir’s older brother) is really friendly and super good with people, his family members adore him and he’s good friends with Angrod and Aegnor (and dies fighting beside them during the Bragollach, which is canon)
- He’s also terrible at Sindarin, like his accent is atrocious and he can’t speak or understand it very well, so he prefers to use Taliska most of the time (which is still the main language spoken in Ladros, although a lot of the people there know at least some Sindarin, especially in the ruling family)
- Barahir and Beren are both quite good at Sindarin, and Beren goes around with his uncle a lot and sometimes acts as an interpreter for him when he’s dealing with elves (although Angrod and Aegnor and a lot of their people speak some Taliska, as do Finrod and few of the Nargothrond warriors)
- Beren is in his early 20s during the Bragollach, but he doesn’t meet Finrod until he goes to Nargothrond later, so he probably fights alongside Bregolas and is one of the few people who survives that part of the battle
- Baragund and Belegund are both with Barahir, I think
- Emeldir is probably leading the group guarding Ladros in case Aegnor and Angrod and Bregolas fail, and so when they do, Beren and the remnants of their fighters fall back to join Emeldir
All accepted while I softly sweep ESPECIALLY the part about the languages ahehahaha AWWW BREGOLAS!!
Adenydd had a cute headcanon involving Taliska as well, I like the idea that Sindarin never fully substitutes it in Dorthonion :D also, I don’t know if Beren had the chance to change his clothes and wash himself before entering the court of Thingol but I kinda like the idea of him looking very gruff but when he opens his mouth to speak, he speaks a beautiful Quenya-accented Sindarin he learned from the Arafinweans… which only makes Thingol even more pissed? hahahaha
Does Beren & co help Emeldir lead the survivors? It must have been a very perilous escape, during the Dagor!!
I have such a thing for elf-human friendships though
And human-human friendships
And elf-elf friendships
And sibling friendships
And friendships between families that normally don’t like each other
ADENYDD HI!! first of all, I’m so sorry for taking so long D: this weekend has been so busy, weekends are always crazy lately!! I decided to publish bc it seemed extremely cramped in the fanmail and SURPRISE it got pretty long!!
(EVERYONE IS SO NICE ;A;)
surelyyouwillnotdie: You should make a Silm pronunciation meme for Sindarin, too. I don't know Quenya, so I'd certainly botch it up pretty badly, but I'm working on the Sindarin and sort of know my way around. Pretty please? :)
omg ahaha i must have fooled you, the truth is I don’t know the first thing about Quenya!
I just picked some words I liked with the help of some tumblr-friends :) if you check the meme you will see most names have both their quenya and sindarin versions, for example, Fingolfin Nolofinwe, etc
I mean, many people who did this meme (me included!) had no idea how to pronounciate the quenya words - comparing my own meme to Almarie’s meme, who is extremely knowledgeable about that language, showed me how wrongly i said some words, but that’s kinda part of the fun? to hear everyone’s accents? hahaha i know I have a lot of fun!
At any rate since you’re so enthusiastic about Sindarin I would suggest you to maybe do the meme anyway and maybe substitute the parts in Quenya with bits in Sindarin - for example, instead of the Oath of Feanor you could read a Sindarin poem or song? Anyway please do it, now I’m really curious!!